Approaching made difficult

[Sky]

Hey guys i've recently run into a problem when approaching sets in conversation. I've opened sets while they were in a middle of a conversation with each other and they seemed bothered by my presence. Well after I run a canned opener then they seem to forget what they were just talking about and they are pulled into my reality. This is how it's supposed to happen I guess (after a false time constraint), but I occasionally run into the "uncooperative" sets. For example I was at a Starbucks, I saw a 2 set sitting in a corner, walked over there and opened, well since it was a coffee shop, the energy levels are a bit lower than what I'm used to (even though it was night, it felt like day game), even though they responded to me, it seemed difficult to escalate their energy levels and I could see in their eyes they were still wanting to continue the conversation they were having before I interrupted. I normally eject from the sets with energy levels I can't raise. How would I go about solving this problem? Other than just drop it and move to a new set.

Sorry I kinda mis-titled the thread, It should actually be "Escalating after the approach made difficult"

Also I've run into set that I really want to open, the problem is that they are eating. What's your guys' take on this?

[Luxberry]

Time constraint, roll off, etc...

Are you adding value as soon as you hit the set?

Or just give it time and you won't get this reaction(as much).

[AsianEyes]

Hey guys i've recently run into a problem when approaching sets in conversation. I've opened sets while they were in a middle of a conversation with each other and they seemed bothered by my presence. Well after I run a canned opener then they seem to forget what they were just talking about and they are pulled into my reality. This is how it's supposed to happen I guess (after a false time constraint), but I occasionally run into the "uncooperative" sets. For example I was at a Starbucks, I saw a 2 set sitting in a corner, walked over there and opened, well since it was a coffee shop, the energy levels are a bit lower than what I'm used to (even though it was night, it felt like day game), even though they responded to me, it seemed difficult to escalate their energy levels and I could see in their eyes they were still wanting to continue the conversation they were having before I interrupted. I normally eject from the sets with energy levels I can't raise. How would I go about solving this problem? Other than just drop it and move to a new set.

Also I've run into set that I really want to open, the problem is that they are eating. What's your guys' take on this?

you have to remember that also you can't always control everything.  you    are not God.  we're all human on this board.  maybe what they were discussing before was about a group project due  the next day or something very private and grave.  just remember that and don't take it personal.  that said...hows  your subcomms (body lang, dominance, voice/tonality,etc) and your  own energy level?  are you projecting whats going to happen in the future by your own assumptions about the set thereby eventually shaking your reality and disrupting your  frame going into set?

[Sky]

I find that when I approach sets that are just "chillin" things work out a lot better, or when I see a set that looks like they can use a little entertainment. The sets that are in a deep conversation with each other seem to shut out the world around them, I was working on day game with one of my friends at ASU and when he opened a set in conversation they told him "You know what we don't car so why don't you just keep on walking", it was a harsh crash and burn. Well of course these things will happen sooner or later and it's no big deal, I just rather have it happen less often.

Now that I think more of it, the set that I opened in a Starbucks was talking about some drama or relationship issues, something to those lines, I only caught the few words they spoke before I interrupted. Their position was in a corner of the shop sitting down, no where to really lock in either. My opener was the one I made "White Lies", and that got them interested in what I was talking about, the only problem I had was my inability to escalate the energy levels. Maybe it's because they were in a shitty mood when I approached so it takes a while to transition out of it, idk. But yeah there will always be those elements out of my control the things that happened before I came.

[AsianEyes]

I find that when I approach sets that are just "chillin" things work out a lot better, or when I see a set that looks like they can use a little entertainment. The sets that are in a deep conversation with each other seem to shut out the world around them, I was working on day game with one of my friends at ASU and when he opened a set in conversation they told him "You know what we don't car so why don't you just keep on walking", it was a harsh crash and burn. Well of course these things will happen sooner or later and it's no big deal, I just rather have it happen less often.

Now that I think more of it, the set that I opened in a Starbucks was talking about some drama or relationship issues, something to those lines, I only caught the few words they spoke before I interrupted. Their position was in a corner of the shop sitting down, no where to really lock in either. My opener was the one I made "White Lies", and that got them interested in what I was talking about, the only problem I had was my inability to escalate the energy levels. Maybe it's because they were in a shitty mood when I approached so it takes a while to transition out of it, idk. But yeah there will always be those elements out of my control the things that happened before I came.

when they act rude ie "keep on walking", laugh or act hurt and say something like "aww now im gonna have to extend my therapy sessions" or "excuse me while i go  weep emo style in the corner".   then go "anyway...blablabla"  plow through like it didn't even phase you...even if you feel like your soul ejected out  of your ass in a diarrhea blast.  it will get easier.  It's just social pressure.  Limitless is huge on negating and even becoming immune to social pressure.  One reason he's so good at this stuff is that he puts himself out there even if it "feels" weird.  In normal situations, one becomes so aware because it's like child's play.  

anyway, back to the matter at hand.  if your sub comms come across well  enough, they will open, even if in a bad mood.  don't forget to smile.  ppl will automatically smile back and it's proven that smiling sets off a physiological response to make one feel more pleasant...consciously do this...sometimes even i forget to do it.  good luck, buddy.

[Sky]

Yeah thanks bro. I don't think it's the smiling because I always smile when approaching, it was broken 3 second rule it think. I walked into the Starbucks stood in line with my wing, talked to him for a while then walked over to the set while my wing stood there mindlessly. I think that killed it, they were probably looking at him and knew it was all set up. I found the answer, and I tested this thing recently. If my wing opened a set and I'm in proximity, I open up my cell phone and pretend im talking, that way I can stay near by the set and will know what's going on.

But anyways back to my other wing about the crash and burn, that happens everyone 1 out of 20 sets it seems for me, but for him a lil more frequent. But it makes us all fearless and immune to it so it's a good thing in the long run. Esp those moving sets in conversation, damn they are tough. Last time I went sarging with Zone we were pretty much running to catch up to some girls and then getting blown out lol

[Pierce]

Good Question 4 a common everyday situation... try mirror and match the tone of the surrounding environment (which levels the playing field with commonalities for you and the girls)... then escalate gradually, because if you escalate too fast then it comes across as 'just weird" and uncomfortable for the girls.  You want it (the approach) to be as natural as possible, same as the escalation process that you go through.  Escalate gradually, much like walking stairs with them, eventually they will let you lead them up the stairs while holding your arm.  But use the tone of the environment as your base and then fluctuate or adjust it either higher or lower to keep the girl(s) interested.  Eventually they will either forget about what they were talking about or better yet they will share the story with you, at which point you know you have them hooked.  You can even pull up a chair and sit with them and totally get into their original conversation be naturally playing the role as either supporter or the devil's advocate.

[Sky]

Haha genius, I normally use mirroring when building comfort but in this case using it right after the opener to escalate energy is perfect. I'll keep that in mind, thanks.

[=SkyNet=]

do what pierce said, join they group and see if you can join in on their conversation. Why bring in a new topic when they are already talking about something. You can also do a quick close something a long the lines of "hey, i know you are very busy right now and i am actually in a hurry as well, you look like someone i would want to get to know better lets exchange numbers and if we get along on the phone maybe we can hang out sometime" .. this way you are not being rude by interupting them and running "material" ...

[Sky]

Alright guys I recently ran into a new problem. I was at ASU bookstore getting books for the spring semester, looking through the isles and ran into HB9 who works there. Jumped right in and opened her, asked for some help finding some books...

This was my 2nd set of the day, completely took it NOWHERE. Pissed off at myself for it. Another PUA started running game on her while she was with me, I just let him do his thing and he got blown out everything he threw out she replied with one of those one liner conversation enders. To be honest, I cared more about getting my books and leaving, I was under a TRUE time constraint. But shit, I left a perfectly good one set hanging.

Does anyone have suggestions on how to game store clerks? I believe that was my first time trying to run game on a store clerk and it went nowhere. Well since I know where she works I can go back there to look for a book and happen to run into her again. I actually want some progress next time.

[Masonsation]

It seems like any other hired gun.  They are trying to sell you something, and you are trying to pick them up.  Open strong with a lot of confidence and get them laughing right off the bat.  Once opened let them do their job for a minute (find you a shirt, a book, get your coffee, whatever) and then start adding in some game slowly as you notice more about them.

A good hired gun opener is always asking them "Hi, can I help you find anything?  Oh crap, thats your line, I always get that wrong!" when they come over to offer you help.  Just say it loud, with a lot of confidence.  

Masonsation

[Sky]

Hahaha Perfect, thanks bro. Thats a great opener. So after that I'm guessing start finding situational things to talk about. Now that I remember, she had a rubber band around the wrist, I have a perfect story/routine to go with that. Ok I'm gonna be prepared next time!