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« Reply #30 on: July 20, 2006, 09:03:08 AM »
Day: 9
Sets tonight: 12
Total Sets 109

Last night was a great night.  I went sarging with Sun Slayer again.  We really have a great energy when we go out together.  We are just laughing and having fun the whole night.

So my sticking point has been opeing mixed sets.  I just couldn't do it because my AA would take over.  It was a very target poor night last night being Wednesday and all and I was telling Sun about how Tyler D approaches PU like a Science and how it is all just sientific experimintation.  So we started thinking of different experiments that we could do based on situation that I have felt were impossible like:

1.  Opening a set in the middle of an intersection when the girls are walking past you.
2.  Opening sets on patios at bars where there is a big fense (from outside the fence).
3.  Opening confusing sets (lots of dude's haning out that don't look AFC)

Never go to #1 but the other 2 went over without any hitches.

So, we walked around opening a lot of mixed sets.  This was cool because I haven't been able to to this up to this point.  Sun opened up a set that looked like the adams family.  about 8 funny looking goth, getto, wierd looking people.  Went over great.

It is getting a lot more natural for me to be playful and neg our sets.  I am feeling a lot more confident and sure of myself in front of females.
Last night was a great night and I can feel that I have moved on to the next level.

Later

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« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2006, 02:23:34 PM »
Day: 10
Sets tonight: 14
Total Sets:  123

Wow, Can't believe that I am at 123 for total sets.  I really have the openers down.  I have enough memorized routines and material for about 20-30 minutes of fluffing.

The problem is that my game is 1 dimensional.  It is superficial and has no substance.  I can tease the girls about who is the bad girl and getting them really enjoying themselves and having fun but then I have no follow up.  I don't really know if I really know what that follow-up would be or how to transition into it.

I have read the VAH and I know what logically the step is but I am really stuck on this.  I had a couple of sets last night where I had the whole set laughing and having a great time but I could not follow through to the next step.

Last night in particular I opened a 2 set (HB9 & HB8).  Both beautiful girls.  I did the two part kiss opener and that went over ok then I went into "who is leather and who is lace" the one girl was all over it. "I'm leather and she's lace" she said with a huge grin.  I did a TD cold read. "You know, you have a good girl face but you keep making these little bad girl mannerisms.  They were laughing hysterically.  Then I went into who lie's more boys or girls.  They were really having a great time.  
They were even on the other side of a fence.  I was on the outside of a bar talking over the railing on the patio.  

I did such a fucking awesome job up to this point and I knew that I couldn't top it or keep the energy up at this level so I totally bailed out of the set.  I have been kicking myself the whole day.  

So what do you do after you knock their socks off with a tremendous opening set of routines?  I haven’t come up with any DHV stories yet but I haven't been trying to think of any lately either.  Is that the missing piece for me?

I am so fucking close.  I can feel it.  I have absolutely no problem getting the set past the social hook point.  

What is the next step for me?  Anybody have any suggestions?
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« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2006, 03:32:02 PM »
Simple, pick a target, isolate her, and escalate.
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« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2006, 02:26:07 PM »
Day: 11
Total Sets:  138
Sets Tonight:  15

Sarging w/ Perenium

Great night out and I learned a lot.  Perenium is a really great guy that had a lot of in-field feedback.  The biggest thing that I noticed and learned is about proper negging.  I virtually never neg.  I set a new rule that in every set I have to force myself to neg at least once, even if I fuck it all up and piss them off etc.

I am starting to see where the gaps in my knowledg base are where I need to do more studying.  I have A1 down cold.  My A2 is weak and I have no A3.  We worked on DHV stories  and cultivating an interesting image.

None of our sets were even notable.  Nothing really flew open and we really didn't get into any story telling.  

This week I am going to absolutley force myself to do at least 1 neg in every set.  I am going to memorize 3 negs to start out with and rehearse them over and over in my head untill I own them.

I will write more about last night later.

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« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2006, 12:21:45 PM »
Day: 12
Total Sets:  145
Sets Tonight:  7

I had an interesting night tonight.  I was up in Scottsdale with a group of my friends with the first part of the evening I was sarging at Martini Ranch and the second part I was winging one of my friends who is not a member of the community.

First part of the evening:
I opened 7 sets and this was the very first time I have sarged a bar/club.  One of my friends that is very beta but goes out all of the time was at the club.  I invited him to be my wing and he was enthusiastic.  We opened 7 sets and he and I had a great time.  2 of the sets opened pretty nicely.  

First good set:  2 HB8’s

Good looking girls.  Said they had just moved from Vegas and were exotic dancers there. I did probably 4-5 openers/routines even showed them a magic trick.  They asked us for our names and we introduced ourselves. They were having a great time and I was getting IOI’s. They said they wanted to go upstairs so we went up there and continued the conversation outside.  They said they were hot and wanted to go inside.  After getting inside it was way noisy and we all couldn’t hear each other.  I said “It’s too loud in here lets go outside.  They both immediately turned and walked outside and we all sat down at a table and I was teaching them how to do tricks with poker chips.  Things were going good but the vibe came down a little bit when it started to sprinkle and then when it started to rain they got up and ran inside.  I got the feeling that the energy was lost and they were trying to get away from us anyway so I didn’t chase after it.  I figured I would re-open later but never got the opportunity.  I feel like I couldn’t build comfort and that is where I dropped the ball.

Good set #2:  HB8 and Ug

We talked for probably 15 minutes.  I got through A1 and probably lost it in A2.  We were all having fun and laughing but the girls never let me into their world.  They were both acting a little guarded.  So I ejected after running probably 3 routines/openers.

My mistakes last night again were Negging.  I am rapport building the entire time.  
I did run a few negs but it was too late into the interaction.  Also on set #2 I opened up the target.  

This was one of the first times that I successfully neged the target though.  I told her she had eye crusties and when she started to rub them away I told her to leave them because they were cute.  She spent the next 2 minutes making excuses about it being her makeup’s fault.  It went over beautifully.

This was the first night that I have been able to isolate the group to a quite area of the club.  That felt really good and I felt very alpha about that.  They came willingly and I led them to the comfort building location.  In all reality I probably should have followed them after it started to rain but I think that they got bored after we got to the comfort building location and I fucked that up.  I guess this could be considered a breakthrough for me but I was disappointed that I was so clueless about comfort building.  

Later

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« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2006, 12:32:28 PM »
Oh yea, almost forgot,

The second part of the evening...

I winged for my friend the is very outgoing and is the social butterfly of the group.  He is very funny, charming and loves to party.  Everybody just loves this guy and he is good looking.  He always has a different date with him at different parties and clubs.

Tonight he was doing his usuall thing.  Lots of flirting on the dancefloor and being agressive and touchy feely.  He got blown out of almost every set of girls that he tried to bust into.  He was basically showing lots of IOI and being very affectionate and lots of complements with a log of positive energy behind it all.

It got him nowhere.  He just could get past the bitch shield with most of these girls.  On a few occassions they became very bitchy and cruel.  One even basically went to blows with the bouncer almost chocking him out while the girl that just went ape shit ran out of the club.  He was just being very playful and cocky and struck a nerve with this chick.  He almost got arrested.

I used to feel like he was very successful with chicks because he is so charming and funny and he has tons and tons of friends.  I guess he is just working off of the law of large numbers and approching litterally dozens of chicks every night and all but a couple blow him out.  It was awkard and not very fun to see it over and over.

I could totally see how much more sophisticated, fun and successful  the PUA's are.

Later

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« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2006, 04:16:40 PM »
Too bad I missed you guys. It sounds like you are really getting your game in gear! How are you qualifying them in A3? Nice move, getting them to follow you to a different spot in the bar. I kept thinking we should have tried that down at mill, but forgot every time we were in set.

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« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2006, 05:07:17 PM »
You mean we opened random sets on Mill ave all night and you're already a pro in the bar game.  DAAAAAAAAAMN Smokey.

Seriously, Nice job on the neg.  I LOVE the eye crusties one.  

ASD is a very positive person with huge cajones.  I learned alot from him on Friday night, even though he's relatively new.  He's focusing on social pressure right now, not poontang.  And that is the exact right thing to do.  I narrow myself too much to two-sets of HB7's -8's.  Asmokindeal is already understanding different sets just by opening ones that will obviously not go anywhere.  He's conditioning himself to have more options.  Just by opening walking sets, I feel I've begun to see that its fun and safe to "meet" different kinds of people.  Even if ugly or "taken".  More fun means better energy...etc.

And the bead-on-the-string trick......OMG.    That was ridiculous.  Major chick crack.

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« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2006, 12:29:13 PM »
Day:  13
Sets tonight:  13
Total Sets:  158
Num Closes: 1
total num closes: 3

Tonight was great.  Went out sarging with Sun Slayer.  He number closed this hot accountant HB8.5.  We talked to that set for about 20 minutes.  I was keeping the male obstacle busy while he ran game on her.  This chick was hot, and the longer we stood there the hotter I realized she was.  

I successfully number closed an HB7.5.  I have seen her a couple of times where she works and I have gamed her a little each time I have gone in.  This girl is really cute and I am attracted to her.  She looks like a little blond surfer girl from cali.

I ran through about 3 routines and most of it was chick crack material.  She was really into it and giving major IOI's.  As I was leaving I said
Me:  we should continue this
HB7.5:  Defenantly
Me:  Give me your number :-)
HB7.5:  Ok (as she scrambles for something to write on)

I got her name & number and we split.  She was very into the whole interaction.

The only problems I have are there is very little kino.  I am not sure about how serious this problem is because when she smiles at me her eyes light up.

We will see.

The awsome thing about this night was that I was going to bail and not finish up all of the 12 sets.  It was raining very hard and nobody was out.  I was in a wierd mood and just didn't feel like sarging.  It took me about 5 sets to actually warm up.  I was just not having a great time right off the bat.  We were considering calling it a night when we both just said fuck it lets do this.

After the next set I was all warmed up and ready to go.  

I gotta give props to Sun Slayer.  He opens some mixed large sets that scare the shit out of me.  

I realized before I went out last night that I thought that I had a good handle on A1.  The truth is that I am probably at about 50% effectiveness.  I am not consistantly neggin and I am opening up the target in almost every set.  I also only use a false time constraint on about 60% of the sets.

These are the 3 things I am going to get tight in the comeing weeks.
1.  Opening up the obstacle
2.  False Time Constraints
3.  Negging
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« Reply #39 on: July 28, 2006, 07:54:13 AM »
Day:  14
Sets Tonight: 13
total Sets: 171
Number closes Tonight: 1
Total Num Closes:  4

Holly shit last night rocked.  I number closed an HB9.

The night started out with my brother and I dragged through the first 6 sets.  Nothing felt right and I was having a hard time getting in the mood.

Sun Slayer called around 8:45pm and he said he was on his way over.  He arrived around 9:25.  I was at 6 sets and he was at 0 so he had some catch-up to do.  He immediately opened up a 4 set of 9's.  These chicks were smokin hot and ended up being hired guns at a local bar.

Around the 3 or 4 set that Sun Slayer opened we came across HB9 and her cute friend HB8.  Sun Ran the 2 part kiss opener on them and I stood there body rocking and my brother stood there facing in their direction from about 10 feet away.

There was a lul in the conversation so I started opener #2:  who lies more followed up by who lies better.  I negged the target solid and about a minute later the obstacle sais  

HB8:  "You guys want to go and get some food with us?"
Me:    Lets go. (I look over at HB9 to see if she is going to squirm.  She   seems cool with it.

We start walkling to a restaurant and when we get there the bouncer sais "21 years and older after 10"  I turn to the girls and ask them if they are over 21.  No we are both 18.  I'm thinking, holly shit now what.  It was perfect though because I take control and say "I have a solution"  and we walk out of there.  I take them to the restaurant just down the street and we sit down.  

While walking over there I am telling the spells routine.  After the waitress takes our drink order I immediately start performing chick crack trick.  They are both tripping over the trick and my explanation (personality test).

After that we are all just having a great time while I ran about 3-4 A2 routines.  I did a couple of magic tricks that totally fucked with their heads and taught them how to do finger tricks with poker chips.  Lots of keno as I held HB9's hand and showed her proper finger placement.  Hug when she finally get the trick right.

after that I steered into A3 and we talked about the girls and their dream jobs.  I spent about 5 minutes of A3 with HB9 just me and her face to face.  All in all about anouther 20 minutes of A3 and then we left.  

We were standing on the corner and I said:
Me:  Well, it was great but we have to go and we are going that direction (pointing in the oposite direction of where they had originally came from.
HB9:  Ok
Me:  We should continue this
Both girls:  Defenantly! (enthusiastically)
Me:  Give me your phone number

HB9: Gives me her number and HB8 gives her number to my brother.  (Sorry Sun for stealing your set  :oops: )

Target was a total babe.  Very fucking hot.

I had 3 other interesting situations that are worth mentioning.  on 2 of the sets that I opened where there was a guy and a girl...On one they were brother and sister and on the other they were cousins.  Just goes to show you that a lot of mixed sets are still game.

The other situation was a neg.  We were at a restaurant to start out the night and this beautiful HB9 is working a table next to ours.  One of the times that she walks by I stop her:

Me:  Hi, just look strait at me for a second.
1 sec...
2 sec...
3 sec...
HB9:  Standing there looking into my eyes.
Me:  Its too bad your not my type because your very pretty.
HB9:  Blushed and turns to leave. and turns back around with a big smile on her face.  She walks back to the table and sais:  What kinda a girl is your type?  

She was flirting.  I told her I don't know and ran the 2 part kiss opener.  Then the whole interaction basically went flat and she walked away.  I was blown away at how powerful this neg was.  She tried to leave but couldn't.  like she was under a spell.  It was great.

Have a great day all

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« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2006, 03:41:05 PM »
Absolute crap quality, but if you pay attention, you can see the girls faces:


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« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2006, 09:32:36 AM »
Day:  15
Sets tonight:  12
Total Sets:  183

Last night was a great learning experiece.  Things are becoming a lot clearer to me and I feel like a have a lot more controll over the sets.

I am not getting blown out of really any sets anymore.  I still open any set that comes my direction and if they are fuckable I try to go as deep in the sarge as possble.  If they are ugly, old, non-fuckable I basically just open the set and practice my tonality, delivery, body language, and posture with these sets and eject.

I do most if not all of my sarging in Mill Avenue, and in the streets between clubs in Old Town.  I really hate sarging in very loud places.  So I try to stay outside as much as possible.  

Last night there were a couple of notable sets.

First notable set:  HB6 & HB8.  Target was a cute, tall, slender, dark very short hair.  I Used the two part kiss opener and they opened right up.  I did the who lies more opener after that and went into the thong panty story.

Their body language was very open and they were smilling and laughing so I went for the bounce and this is where I dropped the ball.

Me:  So what are you guys doing tonight?  (delivered AFC style)
HB's:  Looking for food.
Me:  (random bullshit about what restaurants are open this late)
HB's:  Someone told us that Bostons was open.
Me:  Bostons has awsome Pizza, you guys up for Pizza at Bostons?
HB's:  Sure, that sounds good.
Me:  Lets walk there.
HB:  Ok, lets go.
     (at this point it is going pretty good, HB6 gets a phone call and then they start talking about driving there and meeting us.  Their car is on the way to Bostons.  
HB's:  We want to drive over there and meet you there.
Me:  Ok, we are walking, meet you there. (it about 1/4 mile)

We get there and obvioulsy they are not there.  I think the target was into it because she gave me good eye contact as they were getting into the car but the obstacle just wasn't into it as much and I could tell the second that she suggested they drive that it was over.  They probably got into the car and the obstacle said "fuck those guys".  And they drove past it.  LOL, pretty funny.

I fucked that up by going for the bounce before I qualified them at all.  I had attraction and they were having fun but somewhere while we were walking it occured to them that they didn't even know us and that we were too easy.

My other mistake was in the AFC way I tried to bounce.  I was totally trying to get into their frame rather than suck them into mine.

Other notable set HB7 & DrunkHB8

Did the two part kiss opener and the drunk girl got a phone call and walked off during a routine.  She came back and I started telling the gay cat story.  They were both to drunk to pay attention or comprehend the details and the set basically just fell apart and they just walked off.  

The moral of the story is that these two drunk girls were tough to sarge because they couldn't pay attention for shit.  They keep interupting you during your story and taking things out of context.  I spent the whole time trying to fix misconceptions and shit they didn't understand.

What do you do with drunk girls?  Can you sarge them?  I know there has got to be a way.

I still have to work on my tonality when I am negging.  They are borderline try hard.  They go over ok but they need work.  I also have this bad habbit of opening up the target.

Later

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« Reply #42 on: August 01, 2006, 12:09:26 PM »
Yo man, nice meeting you yesterday.  Still haven't read your journal, but here is some advice after sarging with you yesterday...

You're an absolute approach machine.  You'll approach anything, which is fucking awesome.  No fear at all approaching mixed sets.  You come off very normal and relaxed when you approach, not like a weirdo... which is good.  When doing moving targets, you could start your opener a bit sooner so the set ends up right next to you, as opposed to behind you.  It's a bit harder to get them to stop when they've already passed you, though you can still pull it off successfully.  I think you have opening down though, and you could concentrate more on other facets of the game.  You've spent so much time just trying to approach, you've gotten used to just trying to do as many sets as possible.  but you could start focusing more on quality than quantity.  You only need one set in a night to get laid, as opposed to 12 sets where you just open and eject.  Though I'm almost jealous of how motivated you are with opening everything, it's a really good thing.  But try to run more sets as far as you can.  Like I said, even if you don't know what you're doing in a set, and you WANT to eject... just keep there and run it into the ground if you have to.  You'll learn a lot that way. Maybe hit up bars or clubs more often, instead of street.  Or really, just hit up EVERYWHERE.  I know you said you didn't like how difficult clubs can be (like in Scottsdale), but I think it's really fun to have girls being difficult... and trying to get them to open up anyway.  If this stuff was easy, it wouldn't be as fun to learn.

If you keep up with how you're doing, you're going to be one of the best PUAs out there.  You're one of the most motivated people I've met.  Good luck, and I look forward to sarging with you again.
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« Reply #43 on: August 01, 2006, 06:10:59 PM »
Day:  16
Sets tonight:  15
Total Sets:  198

Tonight was just fun.  Met up with Mad Max and Mimicker.  Mad Max pulled off a pretty ballsey open to two set in front of a sex shop and he managed to play off of that in his opener.  He had them talking for about 5 minutes.

We walked around Mill and I opened a bunch of practice set because that is what I like to do and it was a very target poor night.  We ended up in the Q club and I opened up a two set within 3 seconds of walking into the place.

I opened with the kiss opener and followed up with the who lies more.  That went over pretty good and the obstacle had reached out and touched me a couple of times.  I neged her with "hands off the merchandise" and she laughed.  I wasn't really into either one very much and pussed out and ejected early when I should have ran it out.

We headed toward the back to look for more sets and we ended up sitting down and ordering a drink.  I hit my drink and we walked back up to the front to re-open the set because there wasn't shit else target wise.  Mimiker saw a chick that he had a planned day 2 for the next day and we laughed about that.  Mimiker ordered a beer and we laughed about asking for numbers even in sets that go horribly.  We were both laughing our asses recounting a previous set where he opened them with a opinion opener and she said:

"You ask me that every weekend, who cares!"

It was really funny and we were laughing our asses off as they walked away.  

So I re-opened the set and it was going pretty good so I felt it was time to qualify them.  I asked them what they wanted to be when they grew up.  

HBTarget"professional poker player"
Me:  Your shitting me!  I used to play poker for a living.
HBObstacle:  She realllllllllly good!  Ask her anything about poker, she know eveything.
Me:  Ok, what is a bad beat jackpot?
HBTarget:  (wrong answer)
HBObstacle:  She is the best at poker she beats her brother and her dad and all of their friends. (she goes on and on)
HBTarget:  Im not that good.  I can't compete with a pro. (Getting annoyed)
Me:  That's totally cool I think that is very attractive! (she perks back up but her friend just won't shut up about it and the vibe totally changes.)
Me:  Do you guys want to go into the back where it is more quiet so we can talk?
Both:  Nope we have to get up early.
Me:  Ok, (eject)

So That the target got all embarrased and I think she felt like a phony in front of me.  I didn't push it though and her friend fucked it all up.  I also should have tried to move them sooner.

But that was the night.  not a lot of targets but Mimicker gave me a ton of constructive criticism and really helped me to see where I am comming up short.  Thanks Mimicker for all of the help.

Going out again tonight.  I will report back soon.

Asmokindeal.
PS. This was only the second night working a bar also I opended 3 sets lone wolf before the guys got there (street sarging).  Never opened up sets lone wolf before.
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« Reply #44 on: August 01, 2006, 07:04:23 PM »
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Me: Do you guys want to go into the back where it is more quiet so we can talk?
Both: Nope we have to get up early.
Me: Ok, (ej


uhm .. no! you have to assume that they already want to go and you are just telling them about it. "Hey guys lets go over there.". "I cant hear shit, lets go over there .."
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