topic: How to Ride the Vibe to the Fuck Part 2 (1 of 16), Read 562 times
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from: DoctorOwl
drowlfs@yahoo.com.au (first login: Jaunary, 12, 2003 09:06 AM)
date: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:54 AM
attn: Geoff
CoolWater
TylerDurden
The biggest thing I've noticed with guys who are trying to do the technique so far, but aren't getting anywhere, is that their structure sucks. They do it like this:
1. Ask a question
2. Ask a question
3. Ask a question, tell a story
4. Pause
5. Ask another question
This is not how it's done. Here are some additional key components to vibing I've gotten over the past week IN THE FIELD AND GETTING LAID.
Frame
The frame isn't a competitive "I must control it, and not follow her threads" one. It is a "we must co-operate" frame. This famous scholar named Grice said that the key to human communication, the thing that holds all social communicative rules together, is co-operation. You are sharing, not controlling, although in the beginning you definately expect to do more of the talking, and even by the end you still manouver the conversation through the invisible threads.
Routines
The structure calls for routines at KEY points only. You open with a routine, and get attraction on it. Then you switch totally to vibing.
You can then use a routine just before extracting, or any point where buying temperature is necessary. But there aren't many such points.
You can number close just from the good vibe without using a routine for it. I did this last night, and then used a killer BT routine (bodyguards) AFTER the number close and before I left, so that she'd remember me. THAT was solid.
Other routines aren't necessary. Let general topics that you're well versed in (family, social dynamics, your day, your week, your job) become your "routines". They're like mini threads, with tonnes of mini stories attached, and if you're cool when talking about them, they hit just as much as a routine but are 100000x more versatile.
Silence
There shouldn't really be any silences, except if you're waiting for a response to a question from a girl, which can take a few seconds, but they will USUALLY still put in some filler phrases like "Ummm" or "Hmmm"
If you pause, you'll likely drop the set on a Day 1. If you can talk non-stop on the Day 2, you will get the lay. Guaranteed yo! You'll need proper kino and game plan, but otherwise it's SET.
Example
Here's an example of what I was using the past week.
Guys, what's your first impression of black nails? I'm from Perth, but on the elevator today this smarmy looking woman says to me ... "Are you a devil worshipper?" (in a high voice, the chicks will laugh). I'm wondering if Sydney girls are weird, because in Perth things like this just don't happen, in fact I'm SCARED of guys like you, are you local?
[I opened with something interesting, baited about what I'm doing in Sydney, told a funny story, set a challenge for them, then questioned them, and completely switch it over to a question about themselves.
They respond like this, and here are my responses:
"No we're from XXXX" or "Kind of we're from XXXX"
Cool! I love that, that's why we get along so well! And I was on Oxford Street ...
"She's a freak! I'm from Sydney and I'm not like that!"
Cool. Then you know Oxford Street ... ]
I was on Oxford Street today, and I see these guys holding hands and kissing. And I was weirded out, do guys do that all over the city? Because we don't have that in Perth, I mean, we don't have a gay district or many gay people. But this new gay club just opened up and me and my friends were ALMOST CONVERTED. We were walking down the street and saw the lights and we're like "AWESOME! A NEW CLUB!" but just as we're about to walk in we see this POSTER by the door and it's like "PERTH'S NEW PREMIER GAY CLUB!" and we're like "NOOO!" I don't know how you guys deal with it here, do gays kiss all over the street and stuff?
[Here they say "No of course not, Oxford Street is like the gay district" and almost always go on with "Wait, so you're from Perth?" or "What are you doing in Sydney?" I've also opened threads on gay guys, clothing stores, where to shop, and night clubs]
Well I was clothes shopping and it's cool because the guys here in retail all seem gay, and I'm not gay, but I can riff with these guys and they're giving me mad discounts on clothes. You can't do that in Perth. I got a $20 discount because this gay guy said to me, the gays here are fucking snobby, like when he says "Hi" and they walk in, the next thing they're like "Ntch" and walk away. So that's cool.
[Here they will almost always be DYING to take over the conversation, if not I just continue with no pause, guys you can tell when someone wants to talk or not. I'm just following a sub-topic of gay guys here.]
And it's nice like the more time I spend in Sydney the more I realise that people here are so uptight during the day, but at night they all let it go and act so friendly, I mean like you're friendly now, and I like it, it's like I'm back home, and we have a club there JUST LIKE THIS, I mean it's crazy I keep bumping into people here who look and act just like at HOME, and this club plays the same music and every thing and has the same crowd. Have you noticed how some crowds are really snobby, like they're either rich of tring to act snobby so that people think they are rich, and other crowds are really friendly?
[They put in their 2 cents. I've continued down a sub-topic of night clubs here, but opened another thread on social dynamics, and rich people. I'm also leading into another thread about country people.]
The week before I left Perth, my house-mate's work friend had this huge party out in the country. And I'm not a country boy, I'm from the city, and anyway we're driving there along this dirt track late at night, with no lights along the road, and it drops off to forest on each side... and it was SO SCARY, until we got there, and we're wearing totally the wrong clothes, like we're dressed for a club, and I have THESE shoes on (point to my platform New Rocks) and we have to climb over fences, through this field, just following the glow of my mobile phone, to this huge bonfire, and we get there and all these country guys are in singlets and shorts but they're so friendly anyway. And one guy is like "Man grab a beer" and I look over and see, you know one of those kiddy pools, and they've filled it with ICE and BEER, it was HUGE and so cool. But we didn't hang around, I still didn't feel comfortable, I'm more of a city guy.
[Telling a story here, baiting on my shoes, probing them for their own stories about if they've ever been into the country.]
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I freestyled all of that the second night I was in Sydney, and used it a couple dozen times. It's not canned, it's not a routine. But I hit the same topics again and again over each set, and just started building this huge stockpile of invisible threads and how they relate to each other. THAT is EXACTLY what you need to do to make this work. Invest the time in set, and build off of every set so that you have a good conversational base, and can go totally improv without fearing running out of shit to say.
Sounds like I'm talking a lot? Fuck yeah, it starts like that, but there's so many baits here that they always take one and run with it, then you can vibe off what they have said, and continue down your own sub-topics when theirs runs out. Last night, my first set ran almost EXACTLY like this, and I was dying for threads so I relate their work (hairdressers, a bait THEY threw out in the first minute or so) and related it to passions, to childhood passions, and then childrens play toys. I number bridged of course, very solid after 45 minutes of straight talking, no pauses.
This shit is gold. Oh, and I have one other point.
Structure
My general structure for vibing goes a little like this:
1. Question
2. Immediately continue into a story before they can answer the question, or if they're really quick, continue anyway or vibe off of their answer.
3. Leave lots of baits and open comments in the story, like where you're from, how you felt, things that THEY could have experienced and have follow up stories about.
4. Ask the question again at the end of the story, which turns control over to THEM so they can pick up the ball and run with it.
5. If they don't pick up the ball IMMEDIATELY, plow on with a RELATED thread or sub-topic you've mentioned.
Repeat this non-stop, with a little bit of practice (and no routines) you'll have ACED it. Also it's not necessary to lead the conversation in any specific direction (ie: sexual), focus on being friendly. If you're friendly, then you haven't creeped them out, but you are interesting, and so INVARIABLY they will be attracted to you. So you can number bridge, meet them on the Day 2 and turn it casual/sexual off the bat with immediate kino, and you're in for the lay yo!
Cheers
